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This is the final part of the interview on the soon-to-be-released The Priests of God.

Q- You bring an uncommon perspective on women and God’s priesthood. What can you tell us about that?

A- This, to me, was a thrilling discovery. From an historical and spiritual perspective, the role of godly women is beyond our ability to calculate. It begins in the Garden of Eden with God’s curse on the serpent and on the woman. Briefly, it became clear, from the prophecy in Genesis 3:15, “the serpent would bruise her seed’s heel, but the woman’s seed would crush his head,” was partially fulfilled in Christ’s suffering and his empty tomb. Her “seed” is plural. It refers not just to Christ, but to the saints in the last days. The saints will crush Satan’s head, according to Romans 16:20. Attention has always been on the male heirs and as the head, but, specifically, it is the seed the godly woman carries that will produce Satan’s downfall. I refer to this seed as the priestly seed, as opposed to the righteous man’s kingly seed or the seed of Abraham. When the priestly and kingly seeds unite in one being, we have God’s royal priesthood. There’s more to it, of course. Some is explained in Proverbs and in the wise women of faith throughout the Bible. Look at the strong women of faith we have today. I hope everyone who reads The Priests of God grasps this. It’s beyond genius, on God’s part.

Q- You are saying that women are the unsung heroes of your book?

A- I’m not sure about that, but to understand the order of Melchizedek is to acknowledge the seed of the woman and its role in Bible history and end time prophecy. As a pastor, I remember announcing prayer service to the church. Who would attend, but the same small core of praying women. I don’t think that’s uncommon in churches that have prayer services.

I have to tell you what a friend shared the other day. He witnessed a Christian youth camp service where there were–I wish I could recall how many–let’s say a good number, of young girls aged 9 to 11 at the altar. What he heard he described as wailing. He thought these precious little girls were crying out to God for their fathers, for God to forgive their sins. He also had a sense they were pleading to God for young men who would be worthy husbands. We were wiping away tears as he shared. I’m guessing this has to be global. It’s a preview of Joel 2:28-29 . The Priests of God is right on time. It explains what’s up with God’s daughters.

Q- For our last question, “Where has this book taken you?” By that I mean, “What about it has changed you or your way of thinking?”

A- It has deeply impacted me in several ways. One in particular immediately comes to mind: I now see God’s law in a new light. I used to see it as arbitrary; I could take it or leave it. My idea was Moses’ Law was for Jews, but, since I’m a Gentile, I could choose which law I wanted to follow. Now, I see God holds his priesthood responsible for law enforcement among his people. (That was how it was handled in the Camp of Israel. The Levites had police powers.) As a priest, it is not for me to enforce certain commands, such as those against stealing, murdering and dishonoring our parents, but not others, like adultery, coveting or keeping the Sabbath. If we offend in one, we offend the whole law. I am called to uphold all of God’s commands. It is all about loving the Lord with all my heart, soul, mind and strength. If I love Him, I love his Law.

As far as our nation’s law is concerned, I could keep 99% of it, but if I break one law in over forty years, I may land in jail. With me, the old argument that keeping the law does not save, used to go a long way. I used it as an excuse for avoiding the Old Testament Law. But after seeing the perfection of God’s commands and my present and future role as a priest, teacher and enforcer of God’s Law, I now have a way to please my King. I please him, not only by my obedience, but by my love for his commandments. This is prophetic. Ezekiel 36:24 and following, plus other passages, tells us God will plant in us a new heart and put in us a new spirit to obey his laws. In the last days, he will have a holy priesthood. Whether we are a part of it remains largely up to us and our attitude about His law.

There’s so much I could say, but my focus on God’s future priesthood has made clearer who will surround Christ when he comes to reign on earth. It’s repeated throughout the Bible. The Lord will have a kingdom and priests. If I do not care to learn what it means to be a kingdom and priest of God, how can I expect to play a role? The answer is, I won’t. That is sobering to me.

In general, Christians appear to be confused by the next age, the 1000-year reign of Christ on earth, and who will take part. The fault lies two ways: An unwillingness to look deeply into the subject in the Bible, and teachers who are looking at it from an incorrect theological perspective. I intend to devote a large segment of The Kings of God to the Millennium. We need to know these things now, then put them into practice. God will do his part, if we do ours. Like I said, there is so much to learn. I’ve only scratched the surface. I appreciate the opportunity to discuss it.

Q- Thank you. It’s been interesting.

A- I’ve enjoyed it.

Q- You seem to speak in epic terms about salvation and truth. Do you view The Priests of God as being on the scale of an epic or even a monumental volume?

A- With regard to the ideas and insights it contains, the answer is “Yes, I see it in big terms,” but not as a best seller or a hit among Christians or anything like that. An analogy is a treasure in an earthen jar. The jar is my part with all its flaws to the literary purists. The treasure is God’s part. The writing is mine and I’m about as plain, brown paper wrapping as anyone God could find. By that I mean, I have nothing to attract readers but my ideas. Everything God does is epic and His ways are monumental. I just describe what I see the Lord is doing and why. I consider myself more of a scribe than a writer. I do not like “author” as a description. Author, has a connotation that belongs to the Creator. I’m simply passing on revelations from studying prophecy, all of which I find astounding. I’m in awe of God and I hope that comes through.

Q- There are some rather amazing claims in The Priests of God. I don’t want to spoil anything, but did it occur to you that some of your more sensational discoveries could be wrong? What if you are mistaken?

A- I thought long and hard on this question. The decision I made when I finally sat down to write is that this is the hill on which I take my stand. God entrusted me with some wonderful and amazing revelations. (I am not saying that I am the only one who ever saw these things in Scripture, but I don’t know of others. I did not receive this from another person.) But, God prompted me to put what he was showing me in writing. I’ll be judged for it by men, but God is my judge. I’m willing to take the heat or the outright rejection of my fellow saints. Everything about The Priests of God is challenging and calculated to make God’s people think and dig into the Word. Some will react negatively and I get that. Some will ask others to think for them and be discouraged by their response, but God is in control of who does what. As for me, I’m willing to die for the truths I affirm in this book—obviously, I would not say all that if I had any doubts of being wrong.

My test of whether my conclusion is right or wrong is this: Can I open up my Bible and find confirmation everywhere? If anyone can show me from Scripture a passage that clearly contradicts what I have written, then, if I cannot harmonize it, I will delete it and do a mea culpa. If I am accurately interpreting the Bible, people may disagree, and often do, but their disagreement is not with me. I’m not claiming perfection, but I am a bent on accuracy. My reading of the Word is constant. I am finding more supportive passages all the time. I eliminated 150 pages of text–more or less–and four chapters from my first draft to pare it down to the size I want. What’s that tell you? I did not struggle to find material; I had to pare it down. The Priests of God: Unveiling the Order of Melchizedek is the real never-ending story.

The key that unlocks the mystery of Melchizedek came several years ago. I can’t exactly remember how or when, but I wrote into the book that God asked me a question. It became the kernel of a suggestion He planted in my brain, and, as it grew, I began to share it with a couple of my prize Bible prophecy students. (One was Benaiah, who was kind enough to provide the Foreword to The Priests of God, the other Elijah, who wrote the Foreword to Lifesaver.) The feedback from Benaiah caught me off-guard. What I heard was his concern. If I wrote this—I sensed him saying—I would do damage to how I am perceived. Later on, I shared with my sister Marilyn. I felt she was basically of the same mind as Benaiah, trying to safeguard my credibility. Some of that concern was caused by my inability to defend what sounded like a wild idea.

This is years ago now, but I could not let this idea go. One of the last people I shared it with was more adamant than the others. He was sure I was wrong. This was the big test. Some of his objections made sense, so I backed off and put The Priests of God on the shelf. Gradually, I picked it up again. Something was telling me I was accurate. I dug into all the objections and analyzed them. The Lord gave me sound counter-arguments to harmonize the objections, plus more evidence. He also gifted me with a strong biblically-minded brother, Elijah, who thought I was on to something. Finally, I had enough. I knew we were on solid ground. God was saying it is time. I left my position to give full attention to this baby the Lord conceived in me. My final confirmation was when Elijah said that I had persuaded him. No one but God could have done that.

The artist Vincent Van Gogh sold one painting during his lifetime—or so I heard. Since I gave the Lord control over marketing, I am content if I have to give away copies of The Priests of God. If, during my lifetime, no one gives this book a favorable review, I will be fine. I wrote it for my God and the glory of His Son. He will use it according to his purpose. In the meantime, I’m turning my attention to The Kings of God.

Q- Who is going to enjoy or benefit the most from The Priests of God?

A- Without a doubt it will be the saints who are most eager to do God’s will. The “God is in heaven to serve me crowd” won’t get much further than the first chapter.

Q- Why do you think that?

A- Part of it is human nature. We do not like to challenge our assumptions. One of them may be that God has a big net that takes everyone who confesses Jesus to heaven. I won’t argue who goes to heaven and who doesn’t; that is not my call and, certainly not my purpose. My purpose is to accurately interpret prophecy. If we are in the end times, then we have another aspect of being saved to concern ourselves with. It is not who goes on to glory; it is who will stay for the next age, the Millennium. To be a part of Christ’s blessed kingdom of righteousness, most do not realize they must first live through a lot of hardship at the end of this age. Living means overcoming, or enduring to the end, and standing firm ’til Jesus comes with his rewards for the saints.

A major premise of The Priests of God is that God has specific priestly criteria in order to make it through the distress of the last days. So, being among the privileged to serve King Jesus, belongs to those who enter the narrow gate. Take Noah for example: He met God’s specifications in the first age, and, so, he and his family were saved. We ought to understand the concept of following criteria to make a selection. It’s part of life. It will be as it was in the days of Noah, except there will be multiplied thousands of Noah’s, world-wide, chosen to lead God’s people to salvation from the jaws of the beast. The difference between Noah’s time and now is our tests will be more compressed and intensified.

One of God’s criteria for Noah ought to wake us up. He had to have an accurate picture of what was going to take place. He received the prophetic word, believed it and acted accordingly. Most lack Noah’s clarity. When it comes to God’s set times and laws, the devil confuses, deceives, uses peer pressure, undermines, distracts, leads astray and causes apathy. I once heard a well-known pastor say that he was okay with his confusion about prophecy, as if it were an okay state of mind. I guess he thought everyone should be muddled like he was. The underlying message was no one should be so prideful as to think they have prophetic truth–like Noah did. Is God the author of confusion? Believe me, I was totally confused after seminary and almost two decades of ministry. We should not find this condition acceptable. How can the Lord expect his people will act in concert with his plan of salvation if prophecy was not knowable? The Lord is our guide through the valley of the shadow of death, through the traps and tribulations of the last days. He is the Light, but what if we are walking in darkness? The problem of the many contradictory voices is a big one. Unless we filter out the noise, and listen to the Spirit of truth like Noah, the narrow way to life will elude us.

God’s truth is attainable. Wisdom is too, but it must be pursued. Many Christians think they can fritter away the present, then, when they need it, wisdom will fall like pixie dust. That certainly isn’t the example Noah gives to God’s people. He produced an ark with his hands. He built something. It wasn’t just lip service. God expects his saints to manifest their knowledge of prophetic truth with goods and services that will save others in His family–the Noah way. The Priests of God and our other books are a means to that end.

Q- Who are you writing this book for? What is your target audience?

A- That’s a question I wrestled with from the beginning. I used to think the books I would write were for Bible students of all ages. Now I am not so sure. Some excellent students of the Bible that I’ve met had no–I mean zero–curiosity about the end times. I came to the conclusion there is a sub-section of Bible students that The Prophets, Priests and Kings Series connects with, namely the last day’s saints. There has to be an interest in end time prophecy or, even if one is a student of Scripture, the lights won’t go on. There is a veil over the mind. On the other hand, end time saints who are going through hardships like we find in the Gospels, or they expect to go through persecution, for instance, well, they have a hunger that this series satisfies.  Since we cannot be sure when final events leading to Jesus’ return will happen, I may be history before The Priests of God serves it’s true purpose. So be it. As long as it serves the saints.

Q- Define the term “order” in reference to “the Order of Melchizedek.”

A- I like this question because I believe there is a lot of misunderstanding on this issue. When the Bible uses “order” it implies both heritage and legacy. For example, we have the Aaronic Order of priests, which means Aaron’s descendants inherited their position as priests because they were in the blood line of Aaron, the high priest of Israel. God anointed and appointed Aaron as high priest over the nation of Israel, then his sons took over, then his grandsons, and so on down through the generations. In Jesus’ day, there were twenty-four divisions of priests (1 Chronicles 24:1), all descendants of Aaron. His offspring will go forever, but take a back seat in the Millennium serving the priestly order of Melchizedek.

Let’s go back. Aaron’s order made up the priesthood, while others from their tribe, Levi, served the worship community in other ways. But here is something I did not realize until I studied this, the priesthood of God was being passed from generation to generation long before Aaron came along. Amram, Moses’ and Aaron’s father,  was a high priest of the Hebrews while in Egypt. Does the Bible say this exactly? No, but it is implied. We see evidence in the protection of Moses and Aaron from Pharaoh’s edict to kill the male Hebrew babies. Obviously, God and the people took great pains to let no harm come to the infants Moses and Aaron. Hebrews tells us they were special babies. From Levi, Jacob’s son, came offspring who assumed priestly roles of carrying on sacred rites and guarding God’s oracles passed on from Noah to Abraham all preserved by a remnant. What I am getting at is the order of Aaron, the high priest, did not start with him; he was a priest in an order that started with God, heaven’s high priest, and passed to Adam as a priest of God, then to his sons.

If I may continue, we have a parallel to this order thing in the kingly line of David. The royal line–a synonym for order–runs in both directions from David. In one, leading through the present and culminating in the future, we have David’s legacy in Christ, the royal son of David, the Son of God. The Ruling Messiah is called David in Old Testament prophecy. And He, meaning Christ, will be seated on David’s throne and reign forever and ever. Others will learn in the last days they are also of the seed and offspring of David–but Christ Jesus is the ultimate King of kings.

In the other direction, David was an offspring of Caleb, an offspring of Judah, son of Jacob, grandson of Abraham. God told Abraham in Genesis 17, kings would come from him. So David is the father of royalty as well as a royal heir. With whom did David’s line begin? Listen to how Jesus refers to himself with respect to David in Revelation 22:16. “I am the Root and Offspring of David…” David sprang from Christ, the root, meaning the royal order originated with Christ, through God’s son, Adam (Luke 3:38). It ends with Christ. The order of Melchizedek originated in Christ, the root. Christ ministered at the altar in heaven. Many generations after Adam and Eve, Christ’s priestly seed was manifest in Melchizedek. He inherited it from the daughters of Eve. It was passed on by his female offspring to Mary, and other daughters of Zion yet to be identified in these last days. Christ, our high priest, is Root and Offspring, not of Aaron, but of Melchizedek, Priest of God Most High. It is amazing when we put it together.

 

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